romney, mr. romney, totally amoral, apolitical sense i thought his performance last night was masterful if not brilliant. >> rose: masterful and brilliant. >> yes. >> where do we go from here? what should we watch for? >> last time around john kerry we talked about, as a coach and sparring partner he did good against scroorj w in 2004 election and the second debate of that kerry was vice president's debate in which after the president losing the debate if you will, then dick cheney who is very, blue edwards out of the room like well until this time i don't think we have met before, very established way to put that, you know people like this. you know how you do it, you just say i don't think we met before, like you are a nobody. and he was very good at that, very good and putting them away and i think that turned it back so the debates wouldn't be lethal to the incumbent president, this time, i think joe biden, he has flaws, his establish isn't precise some time but up against a guy child kind of